Showing posts with label Healy. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Healy. Show all posts

Tuesday, November 9, 2021

Elizabeth Delany nee OBrien (1868-1948)




Catherine Obrien is my great-great grandmother.  Aka she is the mother of Theresa Schmidt nee Delany, who was the mother of Mary, James, and Albert Schmidt.  

If you are a Cummins, Ironside, Rubeo, Spencer, Walsh, Bryant, DeLucia, Dreeke, Durivou, Healy, Hovastadt, Richter, Saake, Schmidt, Trowse, Precht, Rappold, Raucher, or Schmitt this might be one of your ancestors.

Catherine was the fifth of nine children born to Michael OBrien and Ellen Kelly at 33 Cork Street in Dublin.  33 Cork street was a public housing tenement, aka poor folks public housing.  Tenements were often one room, with shared public facilities.  You can see 33 Cork references in the 1862 Dublin directory at  https://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/357.php as 'tenements'.

Catherine married Andrew Delany in March 1886.  Catherine was Andrew's 2nd wife, after his first wife, Mary Cowley, died of Tuberculosis in 1895. Catherine had three children who survived childhood, Ellen Bridge (1897), Teresa Mary (1898), and Elizabeth Lillian (1904).  She also had three children who did not survive childhood, Andrew (1899), Kathleen(1903) and Mary Monica(1903).

Tragedy struck Catherine when her husband, Andrew, died of Tuberculosis in 1904.  Catherine was eight months pregnant with Elizabeth Lillian, with no way to fend for herself.  Realizing she could not support her children, she left Sarah (11), Teresa (8) and Ellen (8) at a street corner in Ellis Quay Dublin on the banks of the river Liffey.  Catherine told them to look for a policeman and ask for help.  The children found a policeman who entered them into the Dublin workhouse / orphan system, from which they did not emerge until they were 16 years old.  Noting that one the record it shows "sent to Industrial School", meaning the St Johns Industrial School for girls.  More on that with supporting records at another time when I fully tell the workhouse tales.




Catherine emigrated to the USA in 1921 with her daughter Elizabeth Lillian in the Megantic inbound to her sister, listed as a Noonan (I haven't been able to locate who this is yet)..  Outbound contact was her sister Elizabeth Sullivan nee OBrien, living in Iveagh Towers  .




Once in the USA she lives with her daughter Lillian Precht from about 1926 to her death in 1948.

Documented Residences:

  • 1868 - 33 Cork Street, Dublin - birth to Michael Obrien and Ellen Kelly
  • 1896 - 30 Coombe, Dublin
  • 1896 - Marriage at St Catherine's Church,  Meath St Church, Dublin
  • 1897 - 18 Chamber Street, birth of Ellen Bridget
  • 1898 - 6 Geraldine Square, Dublin - birth of Teresa.  Gone but near 'Brown Street'.
  • 1899 - 6 Fitzgerald Cottages, Dublin - need to map
  • 1901 - 38 Chamber Street, Merchants Quay, Dublin - death of step-son Francis of Tuberculosis. Also address for 1901 Irish Census with Sarah (step-daughter) ellen, Teresa, Andrew.  Gone - see 18 Chamber in 1897.
  • 1904 - 38 Chamber Street, Death of husband Andrew of Tuberculosis, birth of son Andrew. Gone, see 18 Chamber in 1897.
  • 1911 - missing from 1911 census
  • 1916 - 15 Tram Terrace, from Ellen and Teresa's ship record.  Gone, see Tramway Cottages, Highfield Road — boards.ie - Now Ye're Talkin'
  • 1921 - Arrival on Megantic - 208 East 88th St, New York City - inbound ship addresss
  • 1925 - missing in 1925 nyc census, not living with Lillian
  • 1930 - 372 192 West 92nd Street with (Elizabeth) Lillian Precht nee Delany and family
  • 1936 - naturalization, record not found yet
  • 1940 - 65 Gun Hill Road, Bronx, living with the Lillian Precht
  • 1948 - 4343 91st Place, Elmhurst NY - living with Lillian Precht

Pics

The three sisters and their mother.  Catherine is 2nd from left.  Teresa is 3rd from left.


Catherine and Lillian with Walter Precht

Catherin's emigration photo.

Family Chart (click to zoom it)



Thursday, June 11, 2020

Delaney Kids - 1928

Two of the three sister that made it over from Ireland have their kids in this photo.  Mary is my grandmother!  Annotated and non-annotated below.   Thanks 3rd cousin Tracy (or 2nd cousin 1x removed, whatever) !!!  Enjoy...



From left to right - back

  • Martha "Tag" Fox nee Schmidt (1924-2008).  Daughter of Albert Schmidt and Theresa Delany.  No descendants.
  • Mary Melva Healy nee Schmidt ( 1922-2006 ). Daughter of Albert Schmidt and Theresa Delany.  Matriarch to Dreeke, Delucia, Hall, and Healy lines of cousins.
  • James Albert "Jim" Schmidt ( 1919-1998 ). Daughter of Albert Schmidt and Theresa Delany. Mother of Albert, Theresa and Stephen.  Cousins include (but may not be limited to) Richter, Saake, Durie, Pocaro, Hovastadt.
  • Esther Cummins ( abt 1921 ). Daughter of Michael Cummins and Ellen Bridget Delany.  not sure about who she married, maybe a murphy.
  • Kate Cummins ( 1923-2008 ).  Daughter of Michael Cummins and Ellen Bridget Delany.  not sure who she married.

(front row - baby) 

  • Eileen Spencer nee Cummins ( 1928-2016). Daughter of Michael Cummins and Ellen Bridget Delany. Mother of Tracey and Christine.  Cousins include Walsh.

Saturday, March 18, 2017

My Healy DNA only goes back in Ireland 5400 years or so

 I ran my Y-DNA on http://www.familytreedna.com .  Yep, definitely a Healy.  See pic below.

My DNA was noticed noticed by a researcher named "bernie".  Bernie is very good at tracing ancient lines and interpreting dna results.  He had met take a "Big-Y" test to further refine my results.  Y-DNA offers you a father to son direct dna pass, m-dna does mom. Big Y fully maps out the chromosome sets so guys like Bernie can understand it further.



A lot of the DNA connections ( Y-Paternal as well as 'cousin' matches ) put me in line of the Kilgarvan Healy-Rae's.  Not exactly Healy-Rae since the Healy-Rae name wasn't  used until the 1940's by Jackie-Rae Healy, but up their ancestor chain.  Jackie Healy-Rae's father, Daniel, and my great-grandfather Dennis were brothers.  Ancestry says Jackie Healy-Rae and are are 1st Counsins 1x removed.  Michael Healy-Rae, is my 2nd cousin 1x removed.  See Michael Healy-Rae in action re DNA here - http://www.dailyedge.ie/michael-healy-rae-late-late-3294284-Mar2017/ .

According to Donal Healy's book "The Healy story: Oidhreacht mhuintir Ui Ealaithe" (  http://amzn.to/2mEbBEr  ) ( good luck getting a copy )the Kilgarvan Healy's are rumored to come from Donoughmore during the penal times after killing a tax collector.  Over the mountains (maybe they even used Healy pass), across the bay, and start farming in Kilgarvan.

Bernie's DNA research clarifies the klans and how long they've been there.  If you're interested in getting in  touch with Bernie ping me and I'll forward your email to him via the comments below.

Re my DNA I am I-PF6497+ which is apparently under the I-P37 subgroup and the I-M26 haplogroup.
On my big-Y I am YF07184IRL [IE-KY] (Kerry).  My http://www.gedmatch.com kit is A869398 .




Iinformation on the I-M26 tree at YFull (which they call I-L158): https://www.yfull.co/tree/I-L158/ .
Folks who have matched Healy group dna on father to father pass ( aka Y-DNA test  ) https://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup?iframe=yresults.


Highlights from Bernie's notes. Fascinating stuff!

  • According to Wikipedia, the Healy-Reas are Healys from Kilgarvan, Kerry. Several Kilgarvan Healys belong to the I-M26 paternal haplogroup and they are some of the closest matches to my Cullen family, with a common ancestor estimated at 1200 years ago according to Big Ys This mainly Irish branch is called I-Y15581 and includes families named Cullen, Carbery, Healy, Hurley/Murley, Crowley and one family named Felce/Felch/Phelps/Phillips that is English or Welsh, and also one man born in Iceland who believes his ancestor was an Irish slave according to the Iceland histories. Probably the Y-DNA ancestor of all these people arrived in Britain/Ireland sometime between 5,000 and 4,000 years ago, the next closest Y-DNA relative lives in Sardinia. So it's a very Irish branch, and maybe the Healy-Raes belong to it. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z27396/
  • Close big Y matches are Healy, Cullen, Crowley, and Felch. Estimated common ancestor 3800 years ago.
  • Crowley and Felch families are related to two other Irish super-families: the Cullen/Knox/Carbery/Carberry/McCarbery/Donohue family and the Healy/Haley/Spain/O'Donoughue/Dwyer family. The Healy family is from Kerry and Cork.  The Cullen/Carbery group and the Healy group are quite closely related to each other..
  • More distantly, all of these Irish/Welsh/English families are related to an anonymous man living in Sardinia, he was part of a scientific study and he is known by the code ERS256272. The common ancestor between the Irish families and the Sardinian man is calculated to have lived 5400 years ago. The Sardinian man and the Irish men are all PF6947+ and they also are positive for Z27396 and 8 additional SNPs.
  • For many years people speculated that the I-M26 group in Ireland, Sardinia, France etc represented the "megalith builders" spreading their culture around the Atlantic parts of Europe. I thought this was very fanciful, and I thought it was equally likely that my I-M26 ancestors had been in Ireland even longer. But this match with the Sardinian man seems to show that our ancestors were not in Ireland 5400 years ago, instead they were in Sardinia, or more more likely somewhere like France or Spain. And our paternal ancestors seem to have arrived in Ireland over 4000 years ago. So it now seems certain that our particular branch of I-M26 was not among the earliest hunter gatherers to arrive in Britain and Ireland, but instead came later, and in fact could have been part of the people who built the megaliths.

Monday, January 13, 2014

Fathers of My Father

My dad is still living, so we won't list him here.  Suffice it to say J. Healy.  He's been a great help with some aspects.  He doesn't remember a ton.  So we sit, and once I get a vodka or two in him (bad joe), out comes a story here or there.  So here's what I think are the names in my father's tree.


J. HEALY
- Joseph Anthony HEALY( b Bronx 1916, d Bethpage, NY 2002 )
---- Denis HEALY ( b Kilgarvan, Kerry, Ireland 1884, d Bronx, NY 1952 )
-------- ( SEE HEALY TREE BELOW, ITS A BIGGIE )
---- Nellie Agnes CASEY ( b NY or Ireland 1886, d Bethpage, NY 1973 )
-------- Michael CASEY ( b abt 1860 Ireland, d before 1910 NYC )
---------------- ? Denis CASEY Ireland
-------- Ellen O'DONOHUE ( b 1863 Kerry Ireland, d after 1940 )
---------------- John O'DONOGHOE - assumedly Kerry Ireland
---------------- Mary O'ODONOGHOE - assumedly Kerry Ireland
- Mary SCHMIDT ( b Ohio 1924, d NY 2002 )
---- Albert Herman SCHMIDT  ( b Brooklyn 1894, d Bronx 1954 )
-------- Albert Frederick SCHMIDT ( ?? Lehe, Bremerhaven, Bremen, Germany - dates unknown )
-------- Martha TOLLNER / TURNER ( ?? ?? Lehe, Bremerhaven, Bremen, Germany - dates unknown  )
---- Theresa Mary J DELANY ( b 1898 Dublin Ireland, d 1978 Bethpage NY )
-------- Andrew DELANY ( b 1864 ?Dublin Ireland, d 1904 Dublin Ireland )
-------- Katherine (Kate) Bryan / O'Brien ( b 1878 Ireland, d 1948 Brooklyn NY )
---------------- Michael O'BRIEN ( Ireland )
---------------- Ellen KELLY / KIELY ( Ireland )

---- Denis HEALY ( b Kilgarvan, Kerry, Ireland 1884, d Bronx, NY 1952 )
-------- Daniel "DanDan" HEALY ( b 1848 Kilgarvan Kerry Ireland, d 1935 )
---------------- Timothy "Tadghna Rae" HEALY ( b 1815 Kilgarvan kerry Ireland d Cork Ireland )
---------------- Julia DOYLE ( b 1818 Kilgarvan Kerry Ireland )
-------------------------------- Thomas DOYLE
-------------------------------- Honora COOPER SULLIVAN
-------- Mary McCann SULLIVAN ( b 1872 Kilgarvan Kerry Irealnd, d ??? )
---------------- Daniel SULLIVAN ( b 1824 Kenmare Kerry Ireland d ??? )
-------------------------------- Murtagh SULLIVAN
-------------------------------- Mary MOORE
---------------- Mary SULLIVAN ( b 1825 Kenmare Kerry Ireland d ??? )
-------------------------------- Daniel SULLIVAN

Looks like I'm heading to County Kerry on my next trip to Ireland.  Maybe some of ya'll are looking for some of these names?  If so reach out...  From the Irish/German side how about a pint of Guiness with some saurbraten to satisfy my german side.  Next up my mother's tree.  Pure Lithuanian!