DNA for Robert William Sullivan (1931-2018)

Father of Anne Healy nee Sullivan, wife of blog author.

No Irish origins known for Robert, but he's 100% Irish.

Paternal names - Sullivan, Kelly, Reilly, Cleary, Brien

Maternal names - Sullivan, Callahan

DNA from ancestry as of Nov 28, 2019

Father's family tree

Mother's family tree

Patricia Bowe's latest DNA chart from ancestry

My mother in law, Patricia Bowe. Her latest DNA chart is below, as well as her family names.

 
Father, Thomas Bowe's family tree

 

 Mother, Anne Dunne's family tree
 

Family names

Paternal - All waterford - Bowe, Flynn, Powers, Walsh, McGrath, Martin

Maternal - Dunne (Tipperary) , Enright (Limerick), Quigley (Tipperary), Ryan (Limerick), Morrissey (Waterford), Lawley (Limerick), Lynch (Limerick)

My Healy DNA only goes back in Ireland 5400 years or so

 I ran my Y-DNA on http://www.familytreedna.com .  Yep, definitely a Healy.  See pic below.

My DNA was noticed noticed by a researcher named "bernie".  Bernie is very good at tracing ancient lines and interpreting dna results.  He had met take a "Big-Y" test to further refine my results.  Y-DNA offers you a father to son direct dna pass, m-dna does mom. Big Y fully maps out the chromosome sets so guys like Bernie can understand it further.

A lot of the DNA connections ( Y-Paternal as well as 'cousin' matches ) put me in line of the Kilgarvan Healy-Rae's.  Not exactly Healy-Rae since the Healy-Rae name wasn't  used until the 1940's by Jackie-Rae Healy, but up their ancestor chain.  Jackie Healy-Rae's father, Daniel, and my great-grandfather Dennis were brothers.  Ancestry says Jackie Healy-Rae and are are 1st Counsins 1x removed.  Michael Healy-Rae, is my 2nd cousin 1x removed.  See Michael Healy-Rae in action re DNA here - http://www.dailyedge.ie/michael-healy-rae-late-late-3294284-Mar2017/ .

According to Donal Healy's book "The Healy story: Oidhreacht mhuintir Ui Ealaithe" (  http://amzn.to/2mEbBEr  ) ( good luck getting a copy )the Kilgarvan Healy's are rumored to come from Donoughmore during the penal times after killing a tax collector.  Over the mountains (maybe they even used Healy pass), across the bay, and start farming in Kilgarvan.

Bernie's DNA research clarifies the klans and how long they've been there.  If you're interested in getting in  touch with Bernie ping me and I'll forward your email to him via the comments below.

Re my DNA I am I-PF6497+ which is apparently under the I-P37 subgroup and the I-M26 haplogroup.

On my big-Y I am YF07184IRL [IE-KY] (Kerry).  My http://www.gedmatch.com kit is A869398 .

Iinformation on the I-M26 tree at YFull (which they call I-L158): https://www.yfull.co/tree/I-L158/ .

Folks who have matched Healy group dna on father to father pass ( aka Y-DNA test  ) https://www.familytreedna.com/public/I2aHapGroup?iframe=yresults.

BOOKS

• The Healy story: Oidhreacht mhuintir Ui Ealaithe
• The Healy-Raes: A Twenty-Four Seven Political Legacy
• The Mighty Healy-Rae: A Biography

Highlights from Bernie's notes. Fascinating stuff!

• According to Wikipedia, the Healy-Reas are Healys from Kilgarvan, Kerry. Several Kilgarvan Healys belong to the I-M26 paternal haplogroup and they are some of the closest matches to my Cullen family, with a common ancestor estimated at 1200 years ago according to Big Ys This mainly Irish branch is called I-Y15581 and includes families named Cullen, Carbery, Healy, Hurley/Murley, Crowley and one family named Felce/Felch/Phelps/Phillips that is English or Welsh, and also one man born in Iceland who believes his ancestor was an Irish slave according to the Iceland histories. Probably the Y-DNA ancestor of all these people arrived in Britain/Ireland sometime between 5,000 and 4,000 years ago, the next closest Y-DNA relative lives in Sardinia. So it's a very Irish branch, and maybe the Healy-Raes belong to it. https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Z27396/
• Close big Y matches are Healy, Cullen, Crowley, and Felch. Estimated common ancestor 3800 years ago.
• Crowley and Felch families are related to two other Irish super-families: the Cullen/Knox/Carbery/Carberry/McCarbery/Donohue family and the Healy/Haley/Spain/O'Donoughue/Dwyer family. The Healy family is from Kerry and Cork.  The Cullen/Carbery group and the Healy group are quite closely related to each other..
• More distantly, all of these Irish/Welsh/English families are related to an anonymous man living in Sardinia, he was part of a scientific study and he is known by the code ERS256272. The common ancestor between the Irish families and the Sardinian man is calculated to have lived 5400 years ago. The Sardinian man and the Irish men are all PF6947+ and they also are positive for Z27396 and 8 additional SNPs.
• For many years people speculated that the I-M26 group in Ireland, Sardinia, France etc represented the "megalith builders" spreading their culture around the Atlantic parts of Europe. I thought this was very fanciful, and I thought it was equally likely that my I-M26 ancestors had been in Ireland even longer. But this match with the Sardinian man seems to show that our ancestors were not in Ireland 5400 years ago, instead they were in Sardinia, or more more likely somewhere like France or Spain. And our paternal ancestors seem to have arrived in Ireland over 4000 years ago. So it now seems certain that our particular branch of I-M26 was not among the earliest hunter gatherers to arrive in Britain and Ireland, but instead came later, and in fact could have been part of the people who built the megaliths.

Ancestry.com DNA test - results marginal

A ways back in the article [ http://weekendgenealogy.blogspot.com/2014/01/going-for-my-y37.html ] I blogged about sending in my autosomal DNA kit for my Y37. I also did an Ancestry.com autosomal test too. I'm sure you all have been dying to know what I've learned. So I'll share it with you below. Sadly its not too much, but there are some interesting aspects.

First, my ethnicity estimate was about what I expected. Irish plus Eastern Europe. I expected to see more Germany from my Great-Grandfather Albert Herman Schmidt (from Lehe, Bremerhaven, Bremen, Germany b 1894 ) but that didn't surface. I realize Bremerhaven is Prussian, and actually sits inside the circle for Eastern Europe in my results so ithe Western edge of the Eastern Europ area makes sense.

So what about the DNA results matching me to individuals. For me, sadly, not much good. Ancestry is only just now accepting DNA tests from outside the USA, which limits them to who is engaged.  Being a relatively 'recent' immigrant clan (1900s) I'd hoped for more European.   My biggest frustration was people don't upload trees or names so you cannot correlate data. Pretty much limits the usefulness of the DNA test to only whatever name they have now.

Some folks keep their trees 'locked' so you can't see their data. I submitted a suggestion to ancestry to let me lock out those who lock their trees to me, but didn't hear anything back. A user named 'bandito2007' emailed me to ask what I knew about a 'Maytor Healy'. I emailed him back, with 'hey, you let me look at your tree and I'll have some ideas'. Total silence. I now call the locked tree in ancestry the bandito007 effect.   Aka locked out of good information that should be shared. All in all, I didn't get much out of ancestry, across my tree, or my mother and father in laws. Probably won't buy any more Ancestry DNA test.

So did I get anything good out of my Ancestry DNA test. Yes, I transferred my autosomal test to http://www.familytreedna.com . There I have gotten some very interesting results. But that's another story, along with my Y37 followons.

Anyone out there had any luck with Ancestry.com DNA tests?

Zvingys as well as Zvingis - Who'da Thunk

Had dinner with a Lithuanian lady named Virginia this week.  I'd uploaded my autosomal DNA to familytreedna.com and we'd matched out as 4th cousins.  After a few conversations, she was travelling through Florida and we got together for dinner.  I brought along my Uncle Danny.

Humor point.  I'd asked if I could bring my Uncle, and they said sure.  They had a vision of someone 80 years old.  Danny is only 5 years older than me.

So I was showing her my tree, and she pointed out Zvingis in Lithuania would probably be spelled Zvingys in many situations ( the Z would have a hat on it too ).  Interesting.  Going to have to do some doc revisions.

So are we related?  Probably.  Her father was from Tirksliai, Mazeikiai, Lithuania, same as my great-grandfather, Juozas Zvingis / Zvingys.  

And her mother was from Vieksniai, Mazeikiai, Lithuania, where my  Great-Great Grandmother, Anna Petrauskas, as well as my Great Grandmother, Martha Balvocius was from.  

Virginia didn't have a good fell for her family tree beyond her parents.  Quite a few wars and such if you've ever read up on Lithuanian history.  Maybe one day we'll figure it out. Hoping I can get to Lithuania one day and dig in, leaving a real document for my kids.

Going For My Y37

Today I'm mailing in my FamilyTreeDNA Y-37 DNA kit.  I'm not a DNA expert (or even novice DNA expert) so this should be a learning experience.

The Y-DNA 37 test works for direct male to male lineage for the past 8 generations.  Y37 will also get me my Haplogroup, a way of helping to pinpoint exactly where you are descended from in key areas of the world.  As populations moved, genetic tags change via 'drift' or mutations in genetics ( the real definition can be found here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup ).  Various tags are associated with various points of origin.  See the Healy project at http://www.familytreedna.com/public/healy/default.aspx?section=ysnp for an example.

Goodies from the Y37 kit are below.  Basically I'm supposed to wait one hour after drinking or eating and swab each cheek for sixty seconds.  Then you put the swab into a tube and break off the stick, leaving the swag in the tube.  Then you just send the tube.  In a few weeks you've got your DNA results.  Hopefully you will glean awesome insight via this test.

Items included ( see photo below )
01 - Tubes you put the completed swags into
02 - Swag kits that you rub inside your cheeks
03 - Permission slip for testing with opt in for ancestral origins
04 - Addressed envelope, no postage included so you gotta hit the Post Office
05 - Baggie to put the tubes into before you mail them.  Has your name and kit number on it
06 - Instruction sheet

Simple and painless.  If only my doctors bloodwork were this easy!

I'll post back when my results come in.  In the meantime we can talk about the Autosomal DNA tests and what I've tried.